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Interview with Christopher McDougall

Not many running books show up on "Jeopardy!"

Through my long friendship and collaboration with author, coach, and all-around wise man, Dr. Phil Maffetone, I had the privilege of  recently interviewing Christopher McDougall, whose best-selling book, "Born to Run," has done more to shake up the running world than Phil Knight and his Nike Swoosh originally did way back when. Yes indeed, the running shoe trend is trending backwards--thankfully-- to where it should never have left in the first place. Perhaps in ten or twenty years, the only place where you'll find highly cushioned, built-up running shoes will be on eBay and discontinued shoe discount warehouse sites. But it's not as if the $20 billion running shoe industry is suddenly going to issue a public apology to runners: "Sorry, Our Bad for totally screwing up you feet and legs all these years..." and do a complete overhaul of their product lines. Yeah, a real revolution starts with one step at a time. It's just that McDougall took that giant Neil Armstrong leap for all of us.

Question: I understand that you are going to run the New York City marathon barefoot! That gives new relevance to the old Neil Simon comedy “Barefoot in the Park!”

Chris McDougall: Just as long as it's a comedy and not a tragedy!

Q: Are you concerned about potholes, glass, and debris along the 26.2-mile route?

CM: Not a bit. We did an 8-mile barefoot run from Harlem to Brooklyn in the middle of August, and it was a total blast. My feet finished without a nick or twinge. One of the big benefits of running barefoot is extreme maneuverability—when you heel strike, your leg is committed to a locked position in front of you, but when you forefoot strike, your feet are nicely positioned under your center of balance, so you can pivot nimbly away from anything in your path. I've never cut or damaged my feet on a run.

Q: So how does it feel to be the “father” of the barefoot/minimalist running shoe modern-day movement?

CM: Thanks, but I'm not the father. I'm the showboat son who arrives late to the party and pretends he threw it.  The minimalist movement has been gathering steam for quite some time. I was fortunate to come across a story that was a nice vehicle for combining the information about biomechanics and running form that has been accumulating over the last few years. Phil Maffetone, Barefoot Ken Bob, Nicholas Romanov and Danny Dreyer, to name just a few, were in this fight long before I arrived.

Q: Have any of the major running companies contacted you or your publisher and said, “Wait a minute, modern running shoes are good for your feet! Stop spreading all this misinformation!"?

CM: Nope, the shoe companies have been keeping a sheepish silence. Their only response has been to suddenly launch new lines of minimalist running shoes. I'm not surprised. They're not in the business of educating people or even promoting good health; they're in the business of selling stuff, so if you tell them their cushioned, motion-controlling products are actually the most destructive force to ever touch the human foot—as I have—they're not going to argue back. They're just going to sell you a different shoe.

Q: How many miles do you log each week? All barefoot?

CM: I average about 60-80 miles a week, about 70% barefoot and 30% on trails in either Vibram Fivefingers or racing flats.

Q: Future races you plan on doing?

CM: I'm not a big fan of big races. I like local events that I can roll up to at the last sec and have a beer on the grass afterwards. To be honest, I think these mega urban marathons are a lot of what is wrong with recreational running today.

Q: Do other runners and spectators know who you are? Though I imagine it might be difficult to stop and give them your autograph.

CM: I was stunned this summer by how many people recognized me at the Leadville Trail 100. Of course, I was there with Barefoot Ted so I might have been basking in his reflected glory.

Q: Of the 30,000 or 40,000 runners in the marathon, what percentage do you expect to see going barefoot or in the Vibram Five Fingers?

CM: Very few, I'd assume. At this point, the people who still control the message are the people who have been cashing for decades on the "Buy Expensive Orthotics And Fancy Shoes Or You'll Get Hurt "scam. I'm talking about the podiatrists, running magazines, and even race directors. They're all in the multi-billion dollar footwear business, and they're still pushing scare stories on runners. Check just about any article you read on barefoot running, and you'll always find some podiatrist warning that "more studies need to be done or we could see more injuries." What a joke. Up to 90% of all marathoners who wear running shoes are injured every year, yet the podiatrists aren't claiming we need more studies of the running shoe industry. The fact is, there has never been a single study in 30 years—knot one!—that indicate that running shoes do ANYTHING to prevent injuries.

Q: What is your prediction in say three or five years in terms of the evolution of the running shoe? Obviously, this could be the case that “less is more.”

CM: I'm more interested in the future of running form. I couldn't care less what people wear; I'm more concerned about what they do. For too long, all we've heard about is what to buy; what's been missing from the conversation has been how to run properly. I'm convinced that the next big wave in running won't be footwear, but a surge in running coaches who teach proper, gentle, barefoot-style form.

Q: If running is one of the few participatory sports with the highest rate of injury and athlete dropout, why then are most runners so resistant to change?

CM: Well, give them time. Until a year ago, very few people were talking about barefoot running. I'm encouraged that despite all the bitter resistance from the running magazines and misguided medical specialists, the message has broken through to mainstream runners. We're getting there.

Q: For those wanting to learn to run barefoot for the first time, any quick recommendations? Also, is there any risk of foot, ankle, calf, or knee injury?

CM: The first and most important step is to change your form, not your footwear. You're making a huge mistake if you think buying a pair of Fivefingers or Nike Frees is going to magically cure your bad habits. Changing footwear changes nothing. So start by going totally barefoot. Before you start running, check out Barefoot Ken Bob's website ( for his pointers, and watch Lee Saxby's short video on my blog. Those should be all the pointers anyone could need.

Q: Over fifty years ago, Abebe Bikila won the Rome Olympics marathon barefoot—this is the way he trained. He won in a record time of 2:15:16.2, becoming the first black African to win an Olympic gold medal. I guess we have come full circle! Care to comment?

CM: To be fair, Bikila wore shoes in the following Olympics and ran even faster. No elite runner today would compete barefoot, and I don't blame them. If my entire livelihood was hanging in the balance, I wouldn't risk stepping on a bottle cap 50 yards from the finish line. But let's keep in mind that pro runners are wearing only the thinnest, lightest shoes available. They would never wear the kind of motion-controlling, super-cushioned foamboats that Runner's World is constantly pimping in their shoe review issues. They already know how to run barefoot-style, so all they want is some protection for their soles, just like the Tarahumara with their huaraches and Apaches with their moccasins. The goal isn't to run barefoot—the goal is to learn to run properly, and bare feet are the most effective and trustworthy method.

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